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		<title>Comment on What do you need? by Maartje</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maartje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think I&#039;ll just add a resounding &#039;me too!&#039; to all those suggestions. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think I&#8217;ll just add a resounding &#8216;me too!&#8217; to all those suggestions. <img src='http://www.escapetheivorytower.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on What do you need? by Silvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really have enjoyed your take on the pressures of &quot;having a career&quot; both in and out of academia. Why is a &quot;career&quot; considered to be so important?

Why is it so bad to aspire to simply have a paycheck and attempt to pursue interests in one&#039;s free time?

Sorry about the back to back postings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really have enjoyed your take on the pressures of &#8220;having a career&#8221; both in and out of academia. Why is a &#8220;career&#8221; considered to be so important?</p>
<p>Why is it so bad to aspire to simply have a paycheck and attempt to pursue interests in one&#8217;s free time?</p>
<p>Sorry about the back to back postings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What do you need? by Silvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is academia what I want or is it what I&#039;ve been programmed to want?
How to cope with the feeling that THE BOOK will remain undone?
How to deconstruct and overcome the &quot;loser&quot; feeling that overcomes me when I meet academics who &quot;made it&quot;?

Good grief, I&#039;m in real trouble! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is academia what I want or is it what I&#8217;ve been programmed to want?<br />
How to cope with the feeling that THE BOOK will remain undone?<br />
How to deconstruct and overcome the &#8220;loser&#8221; feeling that overcomes me when I meet academics who &#8220;made it&#8221;?</p>
<p>Good grief, I&#8217;m in real trouble! <img src='http://www.escapetheivorytower.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on What do you need? by Katherine V.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine V.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could use some advice with...
...how to maintain motivation to finish the degree while in lapsed status.
...how to manage a dissertation committee that is not supportive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could use some advice with&#8230;<br />
&#8230;how to maintain motivation to finish the degree while in lapsed status.<br />
&#8230;how to manage a dissertation committee that is not supportive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What do you need? by Kristen K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am definately looking for...
...ways to survive/finish grad school without giving up (too far in to leave now)
...surviving the demoralizing job search thing (in and out of academia)
...figuring out if leaving the ivory tower is the right thing or not
...figuring out if my feeling that I should leave is real or just a reaction to the hell that is dissertation-land
...how to market myself outside of academia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am definately looking for&#8230;<br />
&#8230;ways to survive/finish grad school without giving up (too far in to leave now)<br />
&#8230;surviving the demoralizing job search thing (in and out of academia)<br />
&#8230;figuring out if leaving the ivory tower is the right thing or not<br />
&#8230;figuring out if my feeling that I should leave is real or just a reaction to the hell that is dissertation-land<br />
&#8230;how to market myself outside of academia</p>
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		<title>Comment on What do you need? by Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could use...
...ways to make grad school less painful.
...support for finishing grad school even if I don&#039;t know whether I&#039;m staying in academia after I graduate.
...case studies of people&#039;s processes in building a career they&#039;re happy with (in or out of academia, or both).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could use&#8230;<br />
&#8230;ways to make grad school less painful.<br />
&#8230;support for finishing grad school even if I don&#8217;t know whether I&#8217;m staying in academia after I graduate.<br />
&#8230;case studies of people&#8217;s processes in building a career they&#8217;re happy with (in or out of academia, or both).</p>
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		<title>Comment on When did you know? by Barbara J Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara J Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew in my second year of grad school. And yet, I didn&#039;t leave until 9 years later, PhD finally in hand. Why? Sheer stupid stubbornness, I guess. Not wanting to be a &quot;quitter.&quot;

That moment came when I was walking through my department late one night, having just finished a homework assignment. It was close to midnight. I met a professor in the halls. Astonished to see him at such an hour, I blurted out &quot;What are YOU doing here?&quot; He smiled and ducked his head (he was kind of goofy) and mumbled something about working on grant applications.

That was when I knew that this was not the life I wanted. I did not want to be working until midnight on grant applications. I didn&#039;t particularly enjoy teaching. I was good at research but it never gave me enough joy to sustain me through all the other stuff. I hated reading other peoples&#039; research papers and hated writing my own even more.

I did leave, but much later than I should have. What can I say? I was a fool, but at least I wasn&#039;t a &quot;quitter.&quot; For whatever that&#039;s worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew in my second year of grad school. And yet, I didn&#8217;t leave until 9 years later, PhD finally in hand. Why? Sheer stupid stubbornness, I guess. Not wanting to be a &#8220;quitter.&#8221;</p>
<p>That moment came when I was walking through my department late one night, having just finished a homework assignment. It was close to midnight. I met a professor in the halls. Astonished to see him at such an hour, I blurted out &#8220;What are YOU doing here?&#8221; He smiled and ducked his head (he was kind of goofy) and mumbled something about working on grant applications.</p>
<p>That was when I knew that this was not the life I wanted. I did not want to be working until midnight on grant applications. I didn&#8217;t particularly enjoy teaching. I was good at research but it never gave me enough joy to sustain me through all the other stuff. I hated reading other peoples&#8217; research papers and hated writing my own even more.</p>
<p>I did leave, but much later than I should have. What can I say? I was a fool, but at least I wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;quitter.&#8221; For whatever that&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When did you know? by Thoroughly Educated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoroughly Educated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your experience sounds like mine in terms of knowing I was miserable, except that I refused to seek treatment for depression because I convinced myself that that would amount to being drugged into staying! (Yeah, clear thinking is not a signal characteristic of depression :-)

I&#039;ve blogged the process of deciding to leave over the past 2 1/2 years, but the short version is this: I was starting to find the repetitiveness of teaching stultifying in my first t-t job, but I had such a lovely, cheerful department and living situation that I was, overall, quite happy. Then what seemed like the perfect job for me came up: lower teaching load, grad teaching precisely in my specialty, prestigious school, etc. I got that job and by the time the first winter set in, I was depressed. I felt trapped in an isolated place in a job that should have been my dream job, and was certainly the dream job for lots of friends I had beat out when I got it. I realized I did not share the values of my colleagues in a research-oriented dept.; I had always loved teaching, but the joy had gone out of that, and at that point I had nothing left. The summer after that first year is where my blog picks up. In my second fall there, I was invited to apply for a couple of similarly fancypants jobs, but I knew for certain that doing the same job in a different place, even a much more congenial place, wasn&#039;t going to solve the problem. I think it was that point, when I could do the thought experiment &quot;What would it be like to do this work if I could do it in a place I love instead of a place I hate?&quot; and STILL know in my heart that I wouldn&#039;t want the job that I knew it was time for a change of career. It took till the start of my third year to be able to tell people in positions of authority that I intended to leave, and it took all of that academic year to extricate myself. In retrospect, I could have gotten out a lot quicker if I hadn&#039;t been so concerned about Doing the Right Thing, but the time to really think about what kind of work I want to do has been valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your experience sounds like mine in terms of knowing I was miserable, except that I refused to seek treatment for depression because I convinced myself that that would amount to being drugged into staying! (Yeah, clear thinking is not a signal characteristic of depression <img src='http://www.escapetheivorytower.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve blogged the process of deciding to leave over the past 2 1/2 years, but the short version is this: I was starting to find the repetitiveness of teaching stultifying in my first t-t job, but I had such a lovely, cheerful department and living situation that I was, overall, quite happy. Then what seemed like the perfect job for me came up: lower teaching load, grad teaching precisely in my specialty, prestigious school, etc. I got that job and by the time the first winter set in, I was depressed. I felt trapped in an isolated place in a job that should have been my dream job, and was certainly the dream job for lots of friends I had beat out when I got it. I realized I did not share the values of my colleagues in a research-oriented dept.; I had always loved teaching, but the joy had gone out of that, and at that point I had nothing left. The summer after that first year is where my blog picks up. In my second fall there, I was invited to apply for a couple of similarly fancypants jobs, but I knew for certain that doing the same job in a different place, even a much more congenial place, wasn&#8217;t going to solve the problem. I think it was that point, when I could do the thought experiment &#8220;What would it be like to do this work if I could do it in a place I love instead of a place I hate?&#8221; and STILL know in my heart that I wouldn&#8217;t want the job that I knew it was time for a change of career. It took till the start of my third year to be able to tell people in positions of authority that I intended to leave, and it took all of that academic year to extricate myself. In retrospect, I could have gotten out a lot quicker if I hadn&#8217;t been so concerned about Doing the Right Thing, but the time to really think about what kind of work I want to do has been valuable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Would anything have kept you out of graduate school? by Thoroughly Educated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoroughly Educated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, I have seem some success with encouraging students to do something else for a while, though I don&#039;t have a lot of long-term data on outcomes. One year, a student I would have judged &quot;Most Likely To Be Sucked Directly Into A PhD Program&quot; took my advice and went to teach high school for a couple of years. He then entered a Master&#039;s program, had a good time, and decided that was enough, at least for the moment. Which reminds me: in the years that I taught at a good but fairly no-name regional college, I often urged students who were dead-set on grad school to try a terminal MA first, on the theory that a name-brand MA would up their chances of getting into a first-rate PhD program if they found they absolutely couldn&#039;t live without the PhD. I have mixed feelings about that advice, because it&#039;s usually not possible to get funding for the MA, but on balance I think I&#039;m in favor of the stand-alone MA as a way of lowering the opportunity cost of checking out the grad school experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, I have seem some success with encouraging students to do something else for a while, though I don&#8217;t have a lot of long-term data on outcomes. One year, a student I would have judged &#8220;Most Likely To Be Sucked Directly Into A PhD Program&#8221; took my advice and went to teach high school for a couple of years. He then entered a Master&#8217;s program, had a good time, and decided that was enough, at least for the moment. Which reminds me: in the years that I taught at a good but fairly no-name regional college, I often urged students who were dead-set on grad school to try a terminal MA first, on the theory that a name-brand MA would up their chances of getting into a first-rate PhD program if they found they absolutely couldn&#8217;t live without the PhD. I have mixed feelings about that advice, because it&#8217;s usually not possible to get funding for the MA, but on balance I think I&#8217;m in favor of the stand-alone MA as a way of lowering the opportunity cost of checking out the grad school experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When did you know? by Canadian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one day, I knew it. 
I turned away a friend who needed me,with promises of dinner soon.
My husband had spent the whole weekend with my son, and after nap, my 4yr old son was reading books at my feet, while I worked, asking when could we play, and my answer was &#039;soon&#039; and he would ask &#039;when will you be done working mama?&#039; and mama wanted to say &#039;never, mama will never be done working.&#039;

then we played for 2hrs and mama went back to work, feeling frustrated w/my work, isolated and no one to talk to, my son came back into my office dragging his air mattress to sleep at my feet while I worked again.. and that damn air mattress made SO much NOISE! 

right then i knew it. there was going to be many many more frustrating nights where I felt isolated by my work from my family. i was going to feel many more nights of inadequacy as a PhD student, wife, mother and friend.

and I knew then that I was compromising my values for attaining a personal goal- that may not be necessary for obtaining rewarding employment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one day, I knew it.<br />
I turned away a friend who needed me,with promises of dinner soon.<br />
My husband had spent the whole weekend with my son, and after nap, my 4yr old son was reading books at my feet, while I worked, asking when could we play, and my answer was &#8217;soon&#8217; and he would ask &#8216;when will you be done working mama?&#8217; and mama wanted to say &#8216;never, mama will never be done working.&#8217;</p>
<p>then we played for 2hrs and mama went back to work, feeling frustrated w/my work, isolated and no one to talk to, my son came back into my office dragging his air mattress to sleep at my feet while I worked again.. and that damn air mattress made SO much NOISE! </p>
<p>right then i knew it. there was going to be many many more frustrating nights where I felt isolated by my work from my family. i was going to feel many more nights of inadequacy as a PhD student, wife, mother and friend.</p>
<p>and I knew then that I was compromising my values for attaining a personal goal- that may not be necessary for obtaining rewarding employment.</p>
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